why I don't believe the latest JC rumour
Sep. 14th, 2003 11:40 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
tavellafic1) Jive is out to make money. They will only support a tour to the extent that it leads to them making money -- and they aren't going to let another artist determine whether they make that money.
2) Justified isn't going to sell that many more records. By January, it will likely have sold 90 percent of what it will ever sell. While I think some people have been naive in denying Justin's scheduling affecting JC, the idea that Jive would hold off releasing a new album to protect a year and a half old, mostly played out album seems freakish.
3) The tours wouldn't cost that much anyway. Assuming a club tour is modeled on the show after the show, there was zero props, just the band, instruments, amps and Justin. And the most optimistic scenarios for JC's tour have suggested a theater level tour. Again, not something requiring a giant upfront capital investment. Jive is not a small label and they have more than two artists, you don't think they have the cash to manage a club and a theater tour at the same time?
4) If, bizarrely, this is somehow true, I can see Justin simply going 'Don't lay your issues with releasing JC's record on me.' And I think he'd be correct. His job is to promote his album, not to finance Jive's release of JC's album. And I am saying this as a person mostly favoring JC side of things.
2) Justified isn't going to sell that many more records. By January, it will likely have sold 90 percent of what it will ever sell. While I think some people have been naive in denying Justin's scheduling affecting JC, the idea that Jive would hold off releasing a new album to protect a year and a half old, mostly played out album seems freakish.
3) The tours wouldn't cost that much anyway. Assuming a club tour is modeled on the show after the show, there was zero props, just the band, instruments, amps and Justin. And the most optimistic scenarios for JC's tour have suggested a theater level tour. Again, not something requiring a giant upfront capital investment. Jive is not a small label and they have more than two artists, you don't think they have the cash to manage a club and a theater tour at the same time?
4) If, bizarrely, this is somehow true, I can see Justin simply going 'Don't lay your issues with releasing JC's record on me.' And I think he'd be correct. His job is to promote his album, not to finance Jive's release of JC's album. And I am saying this as a person mostly favoring JC side of things.
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Date: 2003-09-15 12:22 am (UTC)My take on the whole thing is that Jive is trying to dump its teen pop acts as quickly and quietly as possible, because the fourteen-year-olds who bought NSA and Brit's first two albums are now getting ready for college. Were I them, and worried about potential dwindling audiences, I would've released JC's album months ago, to ride the momentum from Justin.
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Date: 2003-09-15 12:37 am (UTC)I agree, though, that they missed their shot with JC's album; if they had released it in July as they first reported, I think they would have had a bit of buzz and a decent selling album. I'm afraid by March it's going to be 'JC who?' and 'wasn't that album released like, last year?'
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Date: 2003-09-15 12:39 am (UTC)And BIG, GIANT yes to the idea that Jive can only support either/or.
Hell, you want to either/or it, let's all blame Britney! Her album's coming out before JC's, it must be all her fault.
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Date: 2003-09-15 06:53 am (UTC)And I think that Justin's schedule does affect JC's to some extent. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the extreme pushback we are getting has to do with Justin having told Jive to expect another album next year. Thus no Nsync album, thus no need for Jive to try to get JC's album out this year. Though their lack of confidence in the album is obviously the biggest piece.
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Date: 2003-09-15 10:55 am (UTC)Justin isn't going to sit on his ass waiting for JC to get himself together. The pushback in terms of NSYNC getting together is partially Justin's fault b/c he's touring until January, thus they wouldn't be able to get back together until then, but the further pushback is due to JC's album not being out until next year. Obviously, Justin won't wait around twiddling his thumbs while Jive and JC work out their "issues". Justin wants to release another album but unlike JC, Justin seems to have the ability to get his shit together on time, focus, get his management to fight for him, and do what he has to do. Justin's plans aren't affecting JC nearly as much as whatever is going on between JC and his label.
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Date: 2003-09-15 11:19 am (UTC):)
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Date: 2003-09-15 12:41 pm (UTC)And there's no sign that JC needs to get his act together; he delivered the album. It's been done for months. Jive has changed their minds on the album, which is their perogative, but it's not *JC's* fault. And while I agree that Justin wouldn't sit around waiting during JC's album, I'm not sure that he was planning on sitting around anyway; it's possible that JC's time shift was because Jive already knew they were getting another Justin Timberlake album next year and that there would be no going into studio for Nsync.
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Date: 2003-09-15 01:56 pm (UTC)NSYNC was on ghetto time finishing CB partially b/c of their procrastinators, lol. CB was already done, they were only doing post production in the spring. We also can't compare an established group with a tour going on, who had to release the album before the tour is over, with an up and coming solo artist who hasn't proven himself outside of a group and who is starting off fresh b/c he has done no PR at all for his album.
BTW I love how people continue "blaming" Justin. I thought you agreed that this delay is due to Jive, so why is Justin now responsible b/c he "may be" considering releasing an album next year? Jive does whatever is best businesswise, if they wanted to rush out JC's product you could bet that they would have done it.
I never said it was JC's fault, he's partially at fault only b/c he's a perfectionist and an artist. I respect the fact that he went up and disagreed with Jive over the first single. If only he had more power to change the current situation or had chosen representation who could really go toe to toe with the label.
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Date: 2003-09-18 05:29 am (UTC)That all makes total sense expect the fact that JC has been very clear in the fact that his album has been done for months and that Jive keeps changing the date. If anyone is to blame, it’s Jive. But I’m quite sure that some of that is because of Justin too. Not all, but some.
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Date: 2003-09-18 11:39 am (UTC)Could we focus on the REAL assholes (BMG) who should be blamed and stop making this shit about Justin or JC. Justin is not some all powerful creature out to destroy JC. People who need to project their junk onto Justin need to get a clue. And yeah, I'm aware that some people project their frustration/anger/blame onto Justin b/c he's tangible and a real person, whereas Jive is a corporate entity and there isn't a specific person to blame.
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